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Jim Roselando, January 9th, 2008
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Lovely folk dancing.
Way I look at it, even if doctors cut and lawyers argue, there are always libraries behind them to consult when/if they need to consult.
In application, we can something get into a constrained set of tools that make up our a-game, and it’s occasionally useful to have some larger set to refer back to for problem solving or inspiration.
Linked routines are just those kinds of references.
Lovely Folk Dancing? Not IMHO Terence! Why do you have such knee-jerk comments to something that is different? This is a better clip than the first, albeit may be coreographed differently for different occassions but that’s just the norm to be honest.
It’s not “different” — it’s the same thing they all do.
You can train a retarded chimpanzee to dance, to do a routine. How meaningful is that? Great, he can do a routine.
Next, he’ll do chi sao. They all do that too.
They do everything except fight, which is the only way to show that you have any skill or know anything significant.
And there is a reason they never show that. Because they have no significant skill or knowledge. If they fought, we’d see that. So they do their routines, do their chi sao, to the applause of the gullible. Just like the chimps at the zoo.
Mr. T is laughable!
Fact: Fung Keung has a very large Fighting Experience resume. Translation: He has fought a sh*t load of people from all sorts of disciplines. Ulike most of the clowns running around on the net. The ones who expect others to demonstrate what they never are willing to do themselves. Which is even more funny IMO.
In case anyone is curious. Just to help with the discussion, Many fighters from Wong Shun Leung and other so-called “tough guy” schools have visited the guy teaching what Mr. T calls Dancing and came back with the same results. He is a real fighter and is not so insecure in his teaching that he wont demo some of his training for people to see.
How many people come from anywhere to visit Mr. T house class?
Fact 2: Anyone who has achieved any level of skill in Real Fighting or any Athletic activity knows how much time is placed on training for a fight, or any sport event, and the actual event. The big ugly fact is the time spent during the actual fight or competition (and “practice” sessions/translate “end of class bang time”) is just a FRACTION of the training time and not the main focus of building a fighter. Its actually the smallest part but important. This is also why the Best Fighters and Top Athletes all find great TRAINERS to keep them developing and then go out and compete to test their game.
Just an opinion.
Fact 1: Yes, they all have “very great fighting experience” — or so they say.
They’re all great masters and fighters behind closed doors. And the gullible believe it. But that’s all bullsh1t. It seems that the gullible love the flavor of bullsh1t. “Mmmm, Mmmm good! Feed me more bullsh1t! I just eat it up.”
Fact 2: Forms and chi sao won’t develop fighting skills. So all the time in the world spent “practicing” those things will get you nowhere. Mentioning these guys in the same paragraph as genuine fight trainers and top athletes is like comparing the Keystone Cops to the FBI!
But hey, ain’t that bullsh1t tasty!!.
Fact 1:
ROFLOL
Great fighters behind closed doors? ROFLOL again.
He has two schools open to public (unlike your behind closed doors House class) and loads of people travel to taste his fighting ability. Something he is not shy to let people taste and all give the same report. He wastes them with terrible speed and power. People who have trained with Wong Shun Leung and other so-called Big wc names are also not shy to say; He is the real deal and one of the top they have ever met.
How many people come to Mr. T’s little underground House class to taste your skill and wisdom? Well, we all know the answer to that question. ROFLOL
Nuff said for Fact 1.
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Fact 2? You are correct. Forms and Chi Sao dont develop sighting skill. They are more specific to ones “training, conditioning, attributes etc” but one could have a worst chance at developing any sort of real fighting skill if they have no relation between form and function. Imagine training for decades at Football so you can play in a Baseball game? I guess when you think about it like this you begin to understand how training for decades in Wing Chun model to fight like a Kickboxer has failed miserably and produced nobody.
But hey, some people enjoy different kinds of BS.
Wow! Attack of the T lol!
I can see what you’re saying Jim, but I feel that you’re wasting your breath on this one friend. Some people have just had such a bad experience of Wing Chun, and maybe even other Arts, that they instinctively go on the attack when they see something that makes no sense to them. Namely, any ‘form’ or constructive way to practise which they haven’t ’seen’ themselves before.
Spencer,
Its all good. Just a little verbal sparring with Mr T hahaha.
Its ok for anyone to say what they want but its always easier to point the finger rather than walk the path and that is the big difference between those who achieve and those who talk.
Gotta run!
Peace,
JJR
Hey Jim,
Great to see a clearer demonstration of some truly authentic Kulo Wing Chun.
I have a question about when the inside TAN is used during Chi Sau in the way it is (not this clip). It seems like the position leaves a large opening for a strike through but is that just baiting the attack? I guess you could either use shoulder control or go the other way to defend against without much effort. Really interesting to see this Side Body stuff.
Thanks again,
Dan
It’s all an amazing magic dance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7KxuDYfpSQ
Amazing? Yes. Magical? Yes. Dance? Yes!
According to Bullshido lol!
I actually feel sorry for people who can not see through the image of a form and understand what it is actually teaching. Mind you, I also feel sorry for people who have come up with their own conclusions with no guidance whatsoever…
ROFLOL
Whats with the Leung Ting clip? I know! Thinking back to your glory days? You know, when you were a student of the Leung Ting (and TWC) system?
I know it may seem like a long time ago but memory lane is often fun to re-visit. Thanks again for sharing. I’m sure it brought back plenty of memories for you.
Bwahahahahahahahaha
Yes, it does take me back . . . back to a time when I believed in the magic dance too. Fortunately, I learned better. Some people, it seems, never learn. They love the magic dance and all that goes with it. You know the types — the ones that believe the dance teaches you something other than just to dance. Funny isn’t it that the realproven fighters –oh, not those guys like the Fungs amd Tings (yes, Jim, they’re all the same) who claim to fight, but the ones where we have actually evidence of very good fighting skill and can actually see them fight — don’t do the dance. I guess whatever the dance teaches they didn’t need. All the good fighters got that way without the silly dance; yet guys who can’t fight keep on telling us how important the dance is. Gosh, who should I believe?
T,
I guess if you repeat what you say long enough you might actually believe it. Yet, its always good to hold yourself to the same level of criticism IMO. JR
I have also realized that all the criticism you give out is acutally better directed towards yoruself. You ask others to show Fighting Skill but you never will. Oy! You ask others to Fight heavy with the people who train them but have you ever gloved up with Robert? Another big Oy! You state people that study Fighting arts need to Fight against others regularly but how many Fight Competitions have you competed in? Fighting friedns is fun but strangers in a real event is a different story. I’m sure a list of the different events you have fought in would keep you off the hypocrite list hahaha. JR
T wrote:
Fortunately, I learned better.
Really? Because you figured out the more you train the better you get? Doh. All your so-called “Goodies” in your Chu Sao system comes from the evil Mainland WC and other outside stuff that has been added in. You know those mainland systems that you love to denounce in public but use their tricks to power your kung fu. Read Below! JR
T wrote: “kfo”
Your mainland guys, Ken Chung, etc. can’t hold a candle to Alan. He can do it. He can do what he teaches. So can his guys. And they can do it against some quality people. In fighting. We know this because he has done it.
Its always nice to point towards others, something you are one of the best at, but seeing how after countless years in Wing Chun, writing WC articles, posting on numerous WC forums etc. your end result is nobody searching to study with you and asking others to do what you refuse to do yourself.
T, do you believe Robert can take Alan in a real fight?
T wrote: “KFO”
Your “heroes” who practice in your view “good wing chun”, would fall apart — or you’d see what we typically do: they say and practice one thing in training and do something else when they fight.
Similar to practice and develop WC tools for over a decade and throw Jab Cross Hook in a fight? I agree with you. This method has also failed miserably. JR