Lessons from Wang Kiu
Ray van Raamsdonk, November 4th, 2007
Master Wang Kiu would just talk endlessly on all aspects of Wing Chun.He was full of historical stories, fighting stories, theory, and set explanations. Whatever you wanted to know, he had a big detailed story to tell about it. These notes are just a small portion of the kinds of things he said. In 1985 he gave a seminar which was to just cover the wooden dummy techniques. It ended up being almost a course in all aspects of Wing Chun because he showed how everythingis connected and everything relates. Hopefully he will put down his knowledge some day because my notes present a very scattered disconnected view.
- In Southern China Wing Chun is called Wing Chun because the lady
by that name introduced it there. In the North it is just called orthodox
Shaolin. It is basically the good moves from the Shaolin monastery.
The wooden dummy movements practiced by many today are only half of
what Yip Man originally taught. The rest got lost. The published dummy
moves are just a mixed up mess. They just fill in some moves with Gan
sau and Kwun sau. The Photo’s in the book were taken when Yip Man was
quite sick. - Originally Yip Man had ten students. These were farmers.
- In Wing Chun you just hit the fist or hand or whatever is sticking
out. If you just charge in then you will get probably get kicked. Most
kicks are just jammed. - The good thing about Bruce Lee was that he made up his mind to hit.
All his intent was to get the fist through even if there was a mountain
between him and his opponent. Yip Man did not like Bruce Lee shooting
his mouth off. Wing Chun used to take a low profile. Wong Shun Leung
and Bruce Lee did not take a low profile. Bruce started to teach the
Cha Cha in the USA because he was the Hong Kong Cha Cha champion. No
one was interested in the Cha Cha. Then Bruce switched to teaching Wing
Chun. Then Wing Chun people said, "what qualifies you to teach Wing
Chun? You don’t know the third set, the dummy etc." Then Bruce did a
lot of research to change the style and called it Jeet Kune Do. - There are nine laws of behavior in Wing Chun
- Remain disciplined - conduct yourself ethically as a martial artist
- Practice courtesy and righteousness - serve the community and
respect your elders - Love your fellow students - be united and avoid conflicts
- Limit your desires and pusuit of bodily pleasures - preserve the
proper spirit - Train diligently - maintain your skills
- Learn to develop spirtual tranquility - abstain from arguments
and fights - Participate in society - be conservative and gentle in your manners
- Help the weak and the very young - use your martial skills for
the good of humanity - Pass on the tradition - preserve this Chinese art and Rules of
Conduct
- The wrist power is very important in Wing Chun. It is responsible
for the one inch punch. In the Siu Lim Tao all the wrist hits are small
movements. Have someone stand against a chair. Now hold the arm straight
against that person who has his arms crossed in the high Tan position
on his chest. That person will be propelled backwards. The SUN fist
seems to go right through things even with a small force. Wing Chun
believes it is a good one. The neck chop is also a very small movement.
The one inch punch and zero inch punch is just for show. - The guarding hand must be held with the forearm bone vertical and
not horizontal or else it cannot withstand a strong force. This is one
reason for not having a flat Fook sau. - You cannot just kick. You have to first create an illusion. This
can be done with a Pak sau to the arm combined with a low kick or by
using a Gan sau toward his stomach to attract his attention then hit
low. - The neck pulling hand on the wooden dummy is actually a nerve hit
on the back of the neck. It will make the opponent dizzy and pass out.
You apply this when your hand is overextended. - If you cannot press the hand in, just slap it. If it is too strong
then circle it around the bottom of his hand and hit the opponent’s
neck. The circling is done as his hand rebounds back from the slap. - There is no style where you cannot get hit. All styles have weaknesses.
The weakness of some Wing Chun practitioners is that they hesitate.
They wait too long before doing something. - When you do the circular foot action at the end of the Chum Kiu form,
do it like a real kick. This is a crescent kick. If the opponent does
a right front kick, you can apply a right outside crescent kick to deflect
it. The crescent kick can also be applied to the opponent’s side. - The foot circling movements in the third set are really kicking or
sweeping movements which can be applied as the opponent steps in. ALL
movements from the sets are used for something in Wing Chun. - The Pak sau is used to get into the defensive Wing Chun hands. If
there are no defensive hands, then go straight in with the chain punch.
Don’t worry about anything, just go in. - Wing Chun divides the arm into three stages. The hand is the first.
The forearm is the second. The upper arm is the third. You hit the opponent
to his heart through the second stage. Don’t let the opponent past your
first stage. - The wooden dummy is like a mirror. If it has a left move, it as a
right. If it has a low move, it has the equivalent high move. The Tan
sau is the center. It divides the body from left to right along the
centerline. It also divides the body from top to bottom along th centerline. - The Gan sau is used to divide or separate the opponent’s hands. The
lower Gan sau splits the opponent’s low hand from the center then hit
up to his neck. The Gan sau is an offensive movement. It chops the neck.
The Kwun sau supported by a low Pak sau is also an offensive movement. - The other styles may be good at the downward block or the midlevel
block but none of these movements have a forward force to the opponent.
They are not aggressive. In Wing Chun every movement is a forward attacking
force to the opponent. If the force is not forward, then it is not an
attacking force. - The Bong sau is the weakest hand in Wing Chun. It must be changed
within a split second to another technique. - If you don’t have a Bong sau in your art, then it is difficult to
defend against the multiple hits of Wing Chun. The Bong sau neutralizes
the hits right away. - The saying,"If he comes then I meet him," means if the opponent initiates
the attack, then meet the attack with an attack of your own. The saying,
"If he goes I follow," means if the opponent withdraws his force then
stick to the opponent and hit him. The saying,"If he stays, I go," means
that if the opponent does nothing then don’t hesitate but attack right
away. Otherwise you may be tricked. The intention of your attack is
to make contact with the opponent. These sayings were meant for the
simple farmers to tell them what to do. You educated people don’t need
to rely on these sayings. - The wooden dummy can be practiced a lot but unless it is understood
it is useless. - You can know the wooden dummy but unless you know the sticking hands,
you will not be able to apply the skill. - Eggs are good for you, but if you eat too many in a day you will
get sick. Similarly Wing Chun is taught a bit at a time. Rome was not
built in a day. But also it didn’t take a hundred years. If one style
gives you proficiency in 100 years, then Wing Chun will give you the
same thing in 10. - Always ask,"why am I doing these movements?"
- If a teacher is only willing to part with 99.9% of his art then you
had better not stay with that teacher. In this way the art will eventually
get lost. - Wing Chun has no complicated movements. You do not have to be an
acrobat. They are all simple movements. - Wong Shun Leung once got hit when he used the classical Chum sau.
The punch came in too low and he got hit. Yip Man told him that he should
have used the Gan sau. To put special emphasis on this movement, Wong
Shun Leung added a movement in the first set that emphasizes this. Now
many people also have this movement added to their st. - In all my years of experience, even today, I have not found one reason
why anything in Wing Chun needs to be changed. Wing Chun is a very perfect
art. If you feel the need to change then still keep the classical art
the same. Just tell the student why you feel you need to change. But
don’t change the original or all will eventually get lost. - Against a low front kick, master Wang Kiu jammed it immediately without
hesitation. He said you might as well go in because you will get kicked
anyway. If you stay you will get hit. - Wang Kiu diplomacy: Someone asked master Wang Kiu what he thought
of our Wing Chun (we had trained a year so far). He said "I cannot say
that you are good, but for the time you practiced, you are very good." - Wang Kiu demonstrated the zero inch punch with the arm perfectly
straight. He said it was just wrist power. His punch was very heavy. - Wang Kiu said he is not an educated man but has figured out all the
Wing Chun. He said students with a University background should have
no difficulty whatsoever to understand the art. They can just think
it out. - Leung Ting was the last person to learn anything from Yip Man.
- The Tan sau should be level. If it is not and the hands are in contact,
then the punch will get through. - Boxing employs sort of hit and run tactics. Wing Chun stays and fights.
- There was a very good fighter in Hong Kong who was known for his
lightning fist. He asked Wang Kiu what he would do against it. Wang
Kiu said, "well let’s try." The opponent threw a very fast Phoenix eye
fist. Wang Kiu applied the Tan sau hit from the wooden dummy to finish
the fight fast. - A good feature of the Wing Chun system is the simultaneous hitting.
Once you have contact with the opponent, you can do whatever you learned
from the sticking hands. - Don’t think of Wing Chun as a style but as a set of fighting principles.
- Wang Kiu said those who write many of the martial arts books, usually
only do it to brag that they know something. Most of it is just nonsense. - There is no style where you cannot get hit. The important question
is whether you can hit back. - Wang Kiu learned in the 1950’s from Yip Man. When Wang Kiu (who was
very experienced in Preying Mantis and Lama Kung Fu), saw Yip Man’s
art, he just laughed and said, "that’s no martial art." Then he found
out different. - Wang Kiu advised to students to help each other learn. Don’t just
have wild fights. - Wang Kiu said the other styles have the idea that they can change
and do all kinds of things. But in reality they cannot because changes
take too long. The fight is over in a few seconds. - A good teacher wants each of his or her students to be much better
than he or she is or was. He said Dr. G.K. Khoe had many aspects better
than he. - If the opponent does not have a Wu sau, then he will not be able
to protect against the neck chop. - In the third form there is no Bong sau, it is changed into the logical
extension, the Man sau. - Never use the Bong sau as a first line of defense. It is always a
second line of defense. The Bong sau is avery weak hand and must be
immediately changed to a second technique. Meet the technique with a
forward force. If the opponent throws a right punch, you can Lap sau
and punch. Those styles without the Bong sau can have multiple hits
happening to them. The Bong sau is the saving technique. - Don’t defend, attack.
- Someone asked Wang Kiu why you need to do Chi sau. The student said
from his experience it is not of much use because the opponent doesn’t
let you get close enough to touch his arms. Wang Kiu said tht once you
bridge the gap (meet the opponent’s attack) then the Chi sau tells you
what to do next. Once you meet the opponent, you have no time to think
because close range fighting is too quick. - If you don’t know the meaning of everything, then how can you teach?
If you know the meaning then teaching is very simple. - You should always compare equal strength. You cannot block a motorcycle
coming at you with a Bong sau. A weaker person cannot match a stronger
person if the stronger person has the same skill. We all have limits. - Against a stiff force, apply the Pak sau.
- The Bong sau is done at the wrist because you don’t want the opponent
past the first stage of your arm or else they can control your elbow
and hit you. - In one fight a Preying Mantis style expert face Wang Kiu in one of
their characteristic poses which is the double high Fook sau. Wang Kiu
said the man had good work in Kung Fu to be so confident. The idea of
the Mantis pose was to trap the incoming arm and then poke the eyes.
Wang Kiu punched between the arms anyway then surprised his opponent
by trapping both of his arms with his one (Gum sau and elbow movement)
then hitting with the other hand. - If you move in with the head first, you will get hit. Move in with
the arms first. - Wong Shun Leung was very bold in his younger days. One day they heard
about a master who was very famous for his very fast punching techniques.
So Wang Kiu and Wong Shun Leung went to this master and asked if they
could learn this masters famous punch. The master said,"I am the master
and I will decide who I will teach." So Wong Shun Leung said, "I would
like to try out your lightning fast fist." The instructor said,"You
dare to challenge me?" Wong Shun Leung said, "we have knocked out so
many teachers that one more does not make any difference." This made
the instructor very mad. He visibly shook. Then he attacked. Wong Shun
Leung got him with the simple Tan sau and punch. (Note: mostly these
challenge matches were against people who said they were unbeatable
or who claimed to have special internal power which could not be defeated.) - Wang Kiu said there are many con artists. Once he went to a demonstration
where a man had a large pot of bubbling oil. The man put his hands in
it and then washed his face with it. he found out later that the oil
was not really hot but merely had some chemicals in it to make it bubble. - Wang Kiu said that if you do ten years of Tai Chi and three years
of Hsing I, then your fighting should be very good. - Against a roundhouse kick you cannot do a passive block. The kick
will drive your hands into your face. You have to smash the kick. - When hitting the sandbag, hit it very comfortably. Don’t force it
or you will just injure yourself. - Even Yip Man got hit by some of his larger students. He would have
black and blue marks. The same is true of Wang Kiu. Wang Kiu said when
you are teaching, you must give the students the center for them to
learn, but then you lose yours. You sacrifice yourself to teach your
student. - Wang Kiu said the Preying Mantis style is very good but many don’t
understand their own work fully.


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