Logically, I guess what I’m saying is that my stick plays tend to work both hands together, as a unit for the most part and my knives work both hands individually with their own rythms. Of course, both can do either but I’m talking in a general sense. I understand that WCK is only recognized for our LDBG & BJD Forms, but I believe that the reason they are even present in modern WCK is a signature if you like. A sign to tell us that we are Generals of Martial Arts. Original MMA practitioners in our day!

Many people I have talked to have gone outside to research more in depth. Learn speciality tactics from different families. But one thing they all have in common is that they return to their WCK more regularly. Even using it to maintain the info, especially on ‘how to use’ it all! We have something very special here. Now in the modern world. It’s my dream that someday other families will come to us, but WCK practitioners need to be together first.

BTW, that’s the first time in ages that I’ve heard someone refer to the ‘Journeyman’ in WCK! Nice to meet you! I am very honoured actually, to have this opportunity to exchange experience. Maybe this site is a new beginning for us both.

Cheng.*fist2palm*

I’m sorry, but do not agree with you. But its okay, we can agree to disagree.

I respect your opinion, but I have to say the long pole is not like the Kwan Dao at all, and they are used two hands on a single weapon. The pole and spear are similar, but obviously, the spear has a cutting and piercing edge! When we meet, I will be happy to share the difference with you – thre is a difference, and you do not want to use a spear like a pole, or vice versa. And certainly the short knives of WCK are not similar to the Dan Dao or Gim, as they have a special function of trapping and cutting/stabbing at the same time.

You can also study your family’s weaponry system, but in the old days, a disciple later became a journeyman to hone his craft. Getting experience along the way, and then finally coming forth with his own mastery, he became a craftsmaster. The same is true with martial arts and weaponry.

I still feel I am am WCK, and loyal to it, even if I studied other weapons. It is all in part of becoming familiar with tools that might be used against you, that you should study humbly, others’ crafts. WCK does not have the gim, kwan dao, dan dao, spear and other weapons (except Pao Fa Lien and a few other offshoots). If you want to study those, you have to go out of your family.

Best regards,

Lee Shing was a specialist in this area too, as was my Sifu, so I can only hope I do them both justice by even being here yapping about my personal views on weaponry training.

I have to say though, I feel that any double stick/club or pole/rattan ring training is, with all repsects, ‘equipment’ or apparatus we use in WCK to develop an understanding of the weapons while remaining ‘safe’. A Pole translates to single-handed long weapons like Gwan Do or spear and the Rings translate into shorter ‘double-handed’ weaponry like the Knives or axes.

Throw in the flexible weapons like the chain-whip and throwing darts and we have some other type of discussion brewing…

Without a doubt there is overlap in most martial arts. But some training methods are better for the individual and more geared to that individual.

I’m all for the ‘idea’ of crosstraining, as long as your foundation WCK knowledge is strong. Personally though, I feel that I have enough to look at with our own Seurng Gwan (double club) that is within the Lee Shing Family.

Most of what I see in Escrima/Kali/DocePares seems to be breakdowns of certain postures or movements that are trained interactively similar to the common chisau (but with sticks) and dulien two man sets fo Wushu. Obviously the scope for this training is within the Wing Chun I know, but it would take years to develop a curriculum with all the correct terms. Lucky for us we have a little help from past practitioners.

All the same Martial moves imho, just varied languages and specialities…

Thanks for the overview, RC!